g'day friends,

i have installed mozilla thunderbird.

what i want to do is use it to cut the spam mail i get through my web
host, not my isp who already blocks spam.

so far there is no reduction in spam from my web host e/mail account,
so i figure i haven't set it up properly, so need the helps of more
experienced computer users or thunderbird users?

i think my problem is to do with the <pop> and return <smtp> set up
part of the program??

i also don't understand how thunderbird works?

if i can itterate i need to moniot only the e/mail from my account i
have with my web host.

tia


With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> so far there is no reduction in spam from my web host e/mail account,

Turn off the catch-all address.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

len garden wrote:
> g'day friends,
>
> i have installed mozilla thunderbird.
>
> what i want to do is use it to cut the spam mail i get through my web
> host, not my isp who already blocks spam.
>
> so far there is no reduction in spam from my web host e/mail account,
> so i figure i haven't set it up properly, so need the helps of more
> experienced computer users or thunderbird users?
>
> i think my problem is to do with the <pop> and return <smtp> set up
> part of the program??
>
> i also don't understand how thunderbird works?
>
> if i can itterate i need to moniot only the e/mail from my account i
> have with my web host.
>
> tia
>
>
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len & bev
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

For help with Thunderbird go here: >
http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php

sorry friends,

thunderbird is another mail reader program, as it appears to me now?

don't need another reader.

looking for a spam stopper program say like the anti-virus programs
that monitor my e/mails coming in for viruses.

so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?

apologies for getting it wrong.



On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:57:25 GMT, len garden <gardenlen2@bigpond.com>
wrote:
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> sorry friends,
>
> thunderbird is another mail reader program, as it appears to me now?
> don't need another reader.

Thunderbird has a built-in spam (Junk) filter. It works quite well, and
trains itself as you go. For the few that make it to your Inbox, you
highlight the header of the email, and click the Junk button.

You can further configure the Junk folder to self-delete anything in it
after [ nn ] days. I have mine set to [ 2] days.

Have you been to Tools > Account Settings and gone to the Junk Settings
and turned it **ON**? Also set it to reroute junk mail to the Junk
folder. You can also then right-click on the new Junk folder (in the
left pane), pick Properties and make intelligent options there.

> looking for a spam stopper program say like the anti-virus programs
> that monitor my e/mails coming in for viruses.

You don't need to scan Incoming (or Outgoing) mail. As long as your
anti-virus program is running resident, it will prevent you from
executing any known virus attachments.

> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?

Perhaps, but you don't need it.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

On Dec 10, 4:58 pm, len garden <gardenl...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> sorry friends,
>
> thunderbird is another mail reader program, as it appears to me now?
>
> don't need another reader.
>
> looking for a spam stopper program say like the anti-virus programs
> that monitor my e/mails coming in for viruses.
>
> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?
>
> apologies for getting it wrong.

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#16

use_a_hammer@yahoo.com wrote:

> len garden wrote:
>> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?
>
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#16

Doesn't MailWasher only work with OE? Len has Thunderbird. And
MailWasher has that nasty "bouncer" that people go crazy with, sending
bounce messages to the other spam victims whose addresses were forged in
the FROM field. That is *truly* nasty.

Do note in his original post, he said his ISP filters spam quite well.
The ones he is complaining about are from the address associated with
his web site.

I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed the
"catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control panel.
That should cure his problem.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Dec 10, 8:17 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> use_a_ham...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > len garden wrote:
> >> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?
>
> >http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#16
>
> Doesn't MailWasher only work with OE? Len has Thunderbird. And
> MailWasher has that nasty "bouncer" that people go crazy with, sending
> bounce messages to the other spam victims whose addresses were forged in
> the FROM field. That is *truly* nasty.
>
> Do note in his original post, he said his ISP filters spam quite well.
> The ones he is complaining about are from the address associated with
> his web site.
>
> I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed the
> "catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control panel.
> That should cure his problem.
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

I've never had a spam problem so I don't know exactly how it works. I
just knew there were some free spam blocker/remover products there.

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm

According to this it "might" do what he wants...

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-antispam.htm

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:29:34 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

snipped
>You don't need to scan Incoming (or Outgoing) mail. As long as your
>anti-virus program is running resident, it will prevent you from
>executing any known virus attachments.
>
>> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?
>
>Perhaps, but you don't need it.

ok how then can i reduce the amount of spam mail that comes into my
inbox daily without the need to continually multiple times a day
delete spam mail from the same source??

i understand i have virus protection but want i want to do is block
this spam mail in the first instant.
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:11 -0800 (PST), "use_a_hammer@yahoo.com"
<use_a_hammer@yahoo.com> wrote:
snipped
>
>http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#16

i think i laready have mail washer but not active might be i take
anther look at it?

i use forte agent as my reader but the version i currently have
doesn't seem to block spam mail as the older versions did, even though
multiple times a day i am filtering much spam mail??
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:17:49 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

snipped
>
>I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed the
>"catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control panel.
>That should cure his problem.

i am not using thunderbird as my mail reader, when i installed it i
thought it was a blocker program i didn't understand it was another
mail reader program, i read all my mail using forte agent, now that it
might be time to change programs is another question?

With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

snipped
>
>According to this it "might" do what he wants...
>
>http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-antispam.htm

i don't use outlook express either, the above link again mentions
mailwasher! which other have said can have a nasty sting in the tail??
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

use_a_hammer@yahoo.com wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> use_a_ham...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> len garden wrote:
>>>> so is there a spam filtering program that can do the same?
>>
>> I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed
>> the "catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control
>> panel. That should cure his problem.
>
> I've never had a spam problem so I don't know exactly how it works. I
> just knew there were some free spam blocker/remover products there.

[MailWasher] Yep, it catches spam, to a degree.

> According to this it "might" do what he wants...
>
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-antispam.htm

Remember that len said his ISP did a good job of catching spam. I feel
confident that the spam coming from his web site email address can be
blackholed, and solve his problem.

But I guess he left on a holiday.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed the
>>"catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control panel.
>>That should cure his problem.
>
> i am not using thunderbird as my mail reader, when i installed it i
> thought it was a blocker program i didn't understand it was another
> mail reader program, i read all my mail using forte agent, now that it
> might be time to change programs is another question?

This isn't a question of a better spam-trapper on your computer.

len, you said in your original post in this thread, "what i want to do
is use it to cut the spam mail i get through my web host, not my isp who
already blocks spam."

You have to capture the spam AT YOUR WEB HOST! (sorry for shouting)

You have to log in to your web site's control panel (possibly "cPanel")
and disable the CATCH-ALL setting. When enabled, all mail sent to your
domain name will come to you, even though you may only use
"len@example.com" (I don't know what you use, so I substituted
"example.com")

Spammers routinely blast their crap to:
webmaster@example.com
sales@example.com
info@example.com
slgielsghelwlalf@example.com
george@example.com
and so on, and you get it all.

You will get it all if you don't ::blackhole:: the catch-all. If you
don't know how to manage your web site host's control panel, write a
support ticket at the host's main or support pages and ask them how to
do it.

If you publish your email address on your pages, the spammer's
harvesters will also find it and send you spam. Google for "email
obfuscation".

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

FredW wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote :
>
>> Doesn't MailWasher only work with OE?
>
> No, it does not.
> MailWasher is a kind of preprocessor of mail. I used it with Mozilla
> Thunderbird, without any problem.

Yes, I know what it is, but thought it only integrated with OE. Thanks.

>> MailWasher has that nasty "bouncer" that people go crazy with,
>> sending bounce messages to the other spam victims whose addresses
>> were forged in the FROM field. That is *truly* nasty.
>
> You can choose to use the "bounce" option or not.
> I switched "bounce" off because of the effects you mentioned.

Problem is, n00bs find the feature and their eyes light up.

"Whoohoo!! I can bounce this email back to the spammer!!!1!! He'll take
me off his list!"

Same thing applies to Challenge/Response systems.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

g'day Beauregard,

so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee to
have spam blocked?

as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site even
after login where i can change anything?

my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally only
use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most likely
from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i would think?

some of the jargon used goes over my head, but i try to understand
what you are saying, i have just had a look at the host site after
login and i can't see anywhere that i can go and do as you suggest i
should?

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:45:14 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> g'day Beauregard,

G'day.

> so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee to
> have spam blocked?

I never said such a thing. Fee? No, it is just a setting in your web
host's control panel.

> as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site even
> after login where i can change anything?

I had already asked: what control software is used by your web host? Is
it cPanel?

> my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally
> only use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most
> likely from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i
> would think?

I found your web site. You have an email address posted there.

gardenlen2 @ bigpond.com

Is this the address receiving spam?

Or something else. You now need to post the address, so we know (more
closely) exactly what the problem is.


> some of the jargon used goes over my head, but i try to understand
> what you are saying, i have just had a look at the host site after
> login and i can't see anywhere that i can go and do as you suggest i
> should?

What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the web
host? Better yet, what is the URL?

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:w6Y7j.248548$kj1.208668@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> len garden wrote:
>
>> my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally
>> only use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most
>> likely from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i
>> would think?

Hi Shaggy......

Being a genealogist of long standing, I now see where Len is most likely
getting his spam from. He probably is on some of the genie news groups,
but there are hundreds of Rootsweb Lists and Forums for genealogy and
they make no effort to hide their subscriber's addresses.

I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer could
get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other story. I
won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a throw-away address
for anything connected with the above.

Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)

Heather wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> len garden wrote:
>>> my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally
>>> only use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most
>>> likely from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i
>>> would think?
>
> Hi Shaggy......
>
> Being a genealogist of long standing, I now see where Len is most
> likely getting his spam from. He probably is on some of the genie
> news groups, but there are hundreds of Rootsweb Lists and Forums for
> genealogy and they make no effort to hide their subscriber's
> addresses.

Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.

> I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer
> could get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other
> story. I won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a
> throw-away address for anything connected with the above.

Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.

> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)

And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a new
house!

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:qDY7j.41113$MJ6.23988@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Heather wrote:
>> Hi Shaggy......
>>
>
> Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
> saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
> could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.

Yes, the word "frustration" came to mind. You two lost me a few posts
back, lol.
>
>> I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer
>> could get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other
>> story. I won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a
>> throw-away address for anything connected with the above.
>
> Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
> they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
> hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.

How true. I thought of doing up a webpage, but the free ones seem to
have disappeared.....as in my ISP offered a free one a couple of years
back. But I am busy with yet another new "passion" this past year. I
am designing (and selling) jewellery.....or 'jewelry' as you Merkins
spell it. Having a good time with it.
>
>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>
> And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a
> new house!

Well that sure knocks the **** out of anything I get for
Xmas.......grin. I assume you are buying in the same area. Or are we
old enough to hit a retirement home......bwa ha ha. (that was a royal
WE).

Goodonya.....prices I should imagine are pretty low what with all that
subprime mortgage crapola you have down there. Up here prices are high
and my house has more than doubled in price. I would hazard a guess (ex
real estate agent here) that it has gone up $100,000 in 3 years. Sure
blows me away!!

Saw in the paper today that a condo apt. in Toronto is going for about
$200,000. Mind you, that condo is about 500 sq. feet. ACK!!

Cheers....Heather
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Heather wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Heather wrote:
>>> Hi Shaggy......
>>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>>
>> And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a
>> new house!
>
> Well that sure knocks the **** out of anything I get for
> Xmas.......grin. I assume you are buying in the same area. Or are
> we old enough to hit a retirement home......bwa ha ha. (that was a
> royal WE).

Same area, about 25 miles to the new one. Near Canandaigua, on a hill
overlooking the lake.

> Goodonya.....prices I should imagine are pretty low what with all
> that subprime mortgage crapola you have down there. Up here prices
> are high and my house has more than doubled in price. I would hazard
> a guess (ex real estate agent here) that it has gone up $100,000 in 3
> years. Sure blows me away!!

True enough about the low market prices. We did not get our asking price
for the old house. The buyer was the first person in almost two years to
come up with an offer anywhere close to what we wanted.

> Saw in the paper today that a condo apt. in Toronto is going for about
> $200,000. Mind you, that condo is about 500 sq. feet. ACK!!

500? <sheesh!> We are downsizing, but not *that* much!

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Catch up with you later......must go cook dinner. But I couldn't face
the thought of moving ever again!!!!!

The Old Folks....grin

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:pzZ7j.248926$kj1.26037@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Heather wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Heather wrote:
>>>> Hi Shaggy......
>>>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>>>
>>> And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a
>>> new house!
>>
>> Well that sure knocks the **** out of anything I get for
>> Xmas.......grin. I assume you are buying in the same area. Or are
>> we old enough to hit a retirement home......bwa ha ha. (that was a
>> royal WE).
>
> Same area, about 25 miles to the new one. Near Canandaigua, on a hill
> overlooking the lake.
>
>> Goodonya.....prices I should imagine are pretty low what with all
>> that subprime mortgage crapola you have down there. Up here prices
>> are high and my house has more than doubled in price. I would hazard
>> a guess (ex real estate agent here) that it has gone up $100,000 in 3
>> years. Sure blows me away!!
>
> True enough about the low market prices. We did not get our asking
> price
> for the old house. The buyer was the first person in almost two years
> to
> come up with an offer anywhere close to what we wanted.
>
>> Saw in the paper today that a condo apt. in Toronto is going for
>> about
>> $200,000. Mind you, that condo is about 500 sq. feet. ACK!!
>
> 500? <sheesh!> We are downsizing, but not *that* much!
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:09:48 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

>len garden wrote:
>
>> g'day Beauregard,
>
>G'day.
>
>> so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee to
>> have spam blocked?
>
>I never said such a thing. Fee? No, it is just a setting in your web
>host's control panel.

i didn't say you said that but at the end of the day with this host
that is the ultimate outcome i feel.
>
>> as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site even
>> after login where i can change anything?
>
>I had already asked: what control software is used by your web host? Is
>it cPanel?
>
they don't say on their site and i'm not going to waste my time asking
them at this stage, their support service stinks.

>> my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally
>> only use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most
>> likely from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i
>> would think?
>
>I found your web site. You have an email address posted there.
>
> gardenlen2 @ bigpond.com
>
no that is not the addy that gets spammed it is this one:

gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau

had 22 spam e/mails in it this morning already and most likley get
that many more over the day, that compares with 2 on the other addy.

>Is this the address receiving spam?
>
>Or something else. You now need to post the address, so we know (more
>closely) exactly what the problem is.
>
the problem is this addy has no spam protection and i am hoping i can
do something on my local machine to help filter some of it?
>
>> some of the jargon used goes over my head, but i try to understand
>> what you are saying, i have just had a look at the host site after
>> login and i can't see anywhere that i can go and do as you suggest i
>> should?
>
>What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the web
>host? Better yet, what is the URL?

here is there link:

www.domaincentral.com.au


With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:52 -0500, "Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>
snipped
>
>I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer could
>get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other story. I
>won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a throw-away address
>for anything connected with the above.
>
>Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>
g'day heather,

you have a good handle on the subject, unfortunately we need to be in
these forums and we need an e/mail addy or we dip out.

so could you explain the "throw away address" idea please?

With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:44:54 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

snipped
>
>Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
>saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
>could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.

sad that you see it that way my friend, if you read my posts carefully
i have been consistant and as forthright as i can be with my
knowledge, we are not all blessed with computer whiz kid talents.

and in short yes it is my web hosts involvement as they don't filter
spam, and i did say the i used this address only in gen' forums, and
we all know the forums live on benefits from you e/m addy being
spammed ot that's how i see it especially the money grabber forum as
was mentioned in anotehr post.

so if i cancel my membership will the spam stop?

>
snipped
>
>Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
>they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
>hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.

i have had that guest book for 10 years it is connected to the addy
that gets no spam, so the guest book plays no part in my current
problem.
>
>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>
>And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a new
>house!
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>len garden wrote:
>>> so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee
>>> to have spam blocked?
>>
>> I never said such a thing. Fee? No, it is just a setting in your
>> web host's control panel.
>
> i didn't say you said that but at the end of the day with this host
> that is the ultimate outcome i feel.

Most reputable web/email hosters offer some sort of spam trapping
mechanisms with their service, at no additional charge. SpamAssassin is
popular, and comes 'standard' with the cPanel host software I've
mentioned. You still have to turn it "On".

>>> as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site
>>> even after login where i can change anything?
>>
>> I had already asked: what control software is used by your web
>> host? Is it cPanel?
>>
> they don't say on their site and i'm not going to waste my time asking
> them at this stage, their support service stinks.

Time to find a better host?

>> I found your web site. You have an email address posted there.
>>
>> gardenlen2 @ bigpond.com
>>
> no that is not the addy that gets spammed it is this one:
>
> gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau

Ah, so it *is* an address you set up in their 'control panels'. Go back
there, log in, and look for choices about blocking spam.

> had 22 spam e/mails in it this morning already and most likley get
> that many more over the day, that compares with 2 on the other addy.

The solution is still the same.

Examine the TO: addresses in your spams. Are they all the same, or are
they sent to "webmaster@", "sales@", or other words you don't use.

>> Is this the address receiving spam?
>>
>> Or something else. You now need to post the address, so we know
>> (more closely) exactly what the problem is.
>>
> the problem is this addy has no spam protection and i am hoping i can
> do something on my local machine to help filter some of it?

You've already been advised that Thunderbird email client has built-in
Junk mail filtering, and been told that the default option is "Off" and
you have to turn it "On."

>> What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the
>> web host? Better yet, what is the URL?
>
> here is there link:
> www.domaincentral.com.au

Heh. They do not say what sort of control panel software they use. I
wouldn't sign up with them unless I knew beforehand what I was going to
encounter.

Are you on a Linux or a Windows hosting server?

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
>> saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
>> could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.
>
> sad that you see it that way my friend, if you read my posts
> carefully i have been consistant and as forthright as i can be with
> my knowledge, we are not all blessed with computer whiz kid talents.

Well, you see I had asked several questions where the answers might help
solve your problem, and you left them unanswered.

I wouldn't call me a whiz *kid*... being well into retirement and all.

> and in short yes it is my web hosts involvement as they don't filter
> spam, and i did say the i used this address only in gen' forums, and
> we all know the forums live on benefits from you e/m addy being
> spammed ot that's how i see it especially the money grabber forum as
> was mentioned in anotehr post.

It's not the forums causing the problem; it is the fact that you
published a working email address that appears on web pages, where the
spammers' bots (that's a robot program...) that scan all web pages found
it and added it to their list.

> so if i cancel my membership will the spam stop?

Cancel membership in geneology forums? No it will not stop; your email
address has already been harvested and is now on spammers' lists for a
very long time.

>> Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
>> they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
>> hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.
>
> i have had that guest book for 10 years it is connected to the addy
> that gets no spam, so the guest book plays no part in my current
> problem.

That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by the
spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam problem.
It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:56:31 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
snipped

>Well, you see I had asked several questions where the answers might help
>solve your problem, and you left them unanswered.

to date i thought i had best answered all questions, some seemed
repetative in nature?

if you wish ask those again?

>
>I wouldn't call me a whiz *kid*... being well into retirement and all.

i am too in that age group and only became familiar with computers at
around aged 45.
>
snipped
>
>It's not the forums causing the problem; it is the fact that you
>published a working email address that appears on web pages, where the
>spammers' bots (that's a robot program...) that scan all web pages found
>it and added it to their list.

yes i actually understand that process, but now i want to do something
about it?
>
snipped
>
>Cancel membership in geneology forums? No it will not stop; your email
>address has already been harvested and is now on spammers' lists for a
>very long time.

ok understand that.
>
snipped
>
>That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
>email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by the
>spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam problem.
>It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.

i still see no problem with the guest book as the only working e/mail
addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must repeat
blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual compared to my
addy with my web host.

i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:31:56 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
snipped
>
>Most reputable web/email hosters offer some sort of spam trapping
>mechanisms with their service, at no additional charge. SpamAssassin is
>popular, and comes 'standard' with the cPanel host software I've
>mentioned. You still have to turn it "On".
>
at the risk of repeating what i already have said this host does not
offer any spam trapping free of charge.

as this is my first experience with hosting i was unaware that spam
trapping by service providers was not part of the service as it is
with my isp, and in their blurb about their product they don't even
mention spam or trapping or the need for it?

snipped
>
>Time to find a better host?

we ahve already come to that decision buit until this current contract
runs out i ahd hoped i could at least minimise the stuff spam that is.
>
snipped
>
>Ah, so it *is* an address you set up in their 'control panels'. Go back
>there, log in, and look for choices about blocking spam.

ok i will log into my account and try to seek such an option, wouldn't
be surprised at all if there isn't one.
>
snipped
>
>Examine the TO: addresses in your spams. Are they all the same, or are
>they sent to "webmaster@", "sales@", or other words you don't use.
>
they all appear to be the same to me.

snipped
>
>You've already been advised that Thunderbird email client has built-in
>Junk mail filtering, and been told that the default option is "Off" and
>you have to turn it "On."
>
yes i am aware of that but i already said some posts ago i am not
using t/bird as my mail reader i am not using it at all so changing
options in t/bird will not have any affect.

i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet as when i change host later
next year this spam problem should lessen. so i have ben told.

>>> What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the
>>> web host? Better yet, what is the URL?
>>
>> here is there link:
>> www.domaincentral.com.au
>
>Heh. They do not say what sort of control panel software they use. I
>wouldn't sign up with them unless I knew beforehand what I was going to
>encounter.
>
well ther you go i already indicated some posts ago that, that
appeared to be the case.

and as a novice host user how the heck would i be expected to know
what to look for in a good host. this host with a few others came
recommended from a question i asked online, now none of those who
recommended it gave any warning about spam protection or lack thereof.

>Are you on a Linux or a Windows hosting server?

the host advertises that they are compliant with moth win' & linux,
whatever that means to the user??
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> snippage
>> That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
>> email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by
>> the spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam
>> problem. It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.
>
> i still see no problem with the guest book as the only working e/mail

No, *you* don't get spam from the guestbook, the people who are posting
their email addresses there are the ones getting it because they left
their emails in the clear, ripe for harvesting. These people:

buckaroo @ iinet.net.au
sallyb0 @ utas.edu.au
jasali10 @ netspace.net.au
kwgibbs1 @ alltel.net

and so forth. These are on your guestbook, and can/will be harvested so
*they* get spam. Newbies don't know the ramifications of posting an
address, on the web, in the clear. As you may surmise, I am
anti-guestbook for this reason.

> addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must
> repeat blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual
> compared to my addy with my web host.

Right. That's why I was attempting to concentrate on you finding the
email options at your hosting service.

> i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
> i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.

See above. The guestbook causes spam to be sent to the posters.

So, you are using "gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau" at the geneology
pages: "my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i
generally only use the addy when i am doing geneology research" and it
is posted in forums, etc. It will continue to be harvested as long as it
appears on a web page.

> i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet

Your choice, but the spam will continue until you do.

> as when i change host later next year this spam problem should lessen.
> so i have ben told.

Not if you use the same email address with the new host's services.
That's why Heather said get a throwaway address for public posting. A
yahoo address, hotmail, gmail ... and if you start getting too much
spam, close it and get another.

I can't help you with anything else at this point.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:40 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

>len garden wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> snippage
snipped
>
>No, *you* don't get spam from the guestbook, the people who are posting
>their email addresses there are the ones getting it because they left
>their emails in the clear, ripe for harvesting. These people:
>
> buckaroo @ iinet.net.au
> sallyb0 @ utas.edu.au
> jasali10 @ netspace.net.au
> kwgibbs1 @ alltel.net
>
>and so forth. These are on your guestbook, and can/will be harvested so
>*they* get spam. Newbies don't know the ramifications of posting an
>address, on the web, in the clear. As you may surmise, I am
>anti-guestbook for this reason.
>
ok now i understand waht you are saying, but that does no cause me
spam mail ok, not that i don't have concerns about anyone getting spam
mail, but i would safely asume as their e/mail addies are not attached
to a web hosted web apge and are standard isp generated adresses that
any or most spam that might come their way is in fact being blocked as
my isp blocks spam on my other account.

>> addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must
>> repeat blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual
>> compared to my addy with my web host.
>
>Right. That's why I was attempting to concentrate on you finding the
>email options at your hosting service.
>
>> i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
>> i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.
>
>See above. The guestbook causes spam to be sent to the posters.
>
>So, you are using "gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau" at the geneology
>pages: "my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i
>generally only use the addy when i am doing geneology research" and it
>is posted in forums, etc. It will continue to be harvested as long as it
>appears on a web page.
>
>> i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet
>
>Your choice, but the spam will continue until you do.
>
>> as when i change host later next year this spam problem should lessen.
>> so i have ben told.
>
>Not if you use the same email address with the new host's services.
>That's why Heather said get a throwaway address for public posting. A
>yahoo address, hotmail, gmail ... and if you start getting too much
>spam, close it and get another.

when i change isp's i will most likely alter the e/mail addy
>
>I can't help you with anything else at this point.

ok so ther are no programs to block spam like there are to block
viruses in incoming e/mails?
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> No, *you* don't get spam from the guestbook, the people who are
>> posting their email addresses there are the ones getting it because
>> they left their emails in the clear, ripe for harvesting. These
>> people:
>>
>> buckaroo @ iinet.net.au
>> sallyb0 @ utas.edu.au
>> jasali10 @ netspace.net.au
>> kwgibbs1 @ alltel.net
>>
>> and so forth. These are on your guestbook, and can/will be harvested
>> so *they* get spam. Newbies don't know the ramifications of posting
>> an address, on the web, in the clear. As you may surmise, I am
>> anti-guestbook for this reason.
>>
> ok now i understand waht you are saying, but that does no cause me
> spam mail ok, not that i don't have concerns about anyone getting
> spam mail,

...even after you now understand what it causes?

> but i would safely asume as their e/mail addies are not
> attached to a web hosted web apge and are standard isp generated
> adresses that any or most spam that might come their way is in fact
> being blocked as my isp blocks spam on my other account.

Doesn't matter where your guests' addresses originated. ISP, web hosting
service, whatever. By allowing them to post, you set them up to receive
spam. Not everyone's ISP does a good job of filtering it.

> when i change isp's i will most likely alter the e/mail addy

When you change web hosts...

>>I can't help you with anything else at this point.
>
> ok so ther are no programs to block spam like there are to block
> viruses in incoming e/mails?

Thunderbird. As has been said.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

"len garden" <gardenlen2@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:s7s2m3t3sv9pib4pm38cucufo0nbk24gie@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:52 -0500, "Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
> snipped
>>
>>I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer
>>could get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other
>>story. I won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a
>>throw-away address for anything connected with the above.
>>
>>Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>>
> g'day heather,
>
> you have a good handle on the subject, unfortunately we need to be in
> these forums and we need an e/mail addy or we dip out.
>
> so could you explain the "throw away address" idea please?
>
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
G'day Len......

Yes, I have been into genealogy for a decade or more and have learned
the hard way how to get around the bots and spammers.

I use a GMail address for Genealogy and nothing else but that subject.
Google's spam trap is good and I rarely get a spam forwarded on to my
Outlook Express (Shaggy is now cringing at "OE".....lol). But I have an
excellent ISP which also grabs all of the junk mail as well. And I
happen to prefer OE over others. Hated Agent.

If you would like an invite to join GMail, then I will forward one on to
you. But before you even do that, please munge your news group address
to one something like mine..... "len AT nospam DOT invalid", for
instance.

So from here on in, you will NEVER use your real address on news
groups.....and you will set up either a Yahoo or Hotmail or GMail
account which will be used strictly for genealogy and maybe the odd
other thing. The hard part is trying to remember where you have put
your real address, considering any snippet you might get from it with
regard to genealogy.

My other bright idea years ago was to use a Yahoo account for any
registrations or subscriptions out on the world wild internet. The
reason it was *bright* is that no matter which ISP I change to, all of
my subbing info is on Yahoo and accessible from anywhere in the world,
actually.

So think on it and when you change ISP's, be VERY CAREFUL about who gets
that address. Switch all your subbing to Yahoo or Hotmail and dedicate
a GMail account to genealogy. I actually have all of the above and have
2 at Yahoo and 2 at GMail.

Whoops.....didn't mean to write an epistle. But one other thing. Yahoo
and Hotmail both have built-in virus checkers. So that is a plus. My
daughter has a Mac, so uses Yahoo as a just in case.....she doesn't use
an antivirus proggie.

The best antispam proggie is Mailwasher, in my opinion. You will find a
free one at C-Net, etc. I was checking the Firetrust site and they
don't seem to mention it, lol.

And do listen to what Beau/Shaggy tells you.....that is the straight
goods and he knows way more than me cuz he is WAY OLDER!! (VBG)
Probably younger, if the truth be known.

Cheers from Canada.......Heather

Heather wrote:

> .. and I rarely get a spam forwarded on to my Outlook Express (Shaggy
> is now cringing at "OE".....lol).

More like chuckling, actually...

> And do listen to what Beau/Shaggy tells you.....that is the straight
> goods and he knows way more than me cuz he is WAY OLDER!! (VBG)
> Probably younger, if the truth be known.

Older? P'raps. My next high school reunion will be the .. 50th.

> Cheers from Canada.......Heather

Canada: land of snow. You're gonna send a bunch of it my way this
weekend, which is going to complicate my move. I'll be packing up the
computers tomorrow for transport to the new house, so will be
incommunicado periodically for a few days or so.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:kJn8j.255820$kj1.140799@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Heather wrote:
>
>> And do listen to what Beau/Shaggy tells you.....that is the straight
>> goods and he knows way more than me cuz he is WAY OLDER!! (VBG)
>> Probably younger, if the truth be known.
>
> Older? P'raps. My next high school reunion will be the .. 50th.

Nah.....been there, done that. 50th year from Grade 9 though. And I
started that at age 5.
>
>> Cheers from Canada.......Heather
>
> Canada: land of snow. You're gonna send a bunch of it my way this
> weekend, which is going to complicate my move. I'll be packing up the
> computers tomorrow for transport to the new house, so will be
> incommunicado periodically for a few days or so.

WOT??? We are getting set for a *itch of a storm from the US this
weekend.....and if we are lucky, it will hit the US right about your
house!! Which is as it should be, lol. We drove around that area you
are moving to eons ago, btw. Lovely country. But we don't often cross
the border. Especially now what with all of the crapola we have to go
through. Sheesh, we are not furriners!!

You will have to come up to Quebec City this summer. 400th anniversary
from discovery (Cartier?) and we were planning on holidaying there
before I realized it would be inundated with Merkin tourists!!

Daughter arrives on Saturday, so thankfully will get in before the
blizzard hits. Unless it detours to your area.

Hope the move goes well. I can't downsize.....too much junk after all
these years. (G)

Cheers......Heather

snipped
>
>..even after you now understand what it causes?
>
so even though your understandinbg of it is greater than mine you
still published their e/mail addies and mine in the media that you say
the spammers use to get addies???

yo cannot hold web page owners responsible for waht a guest book may
do and if you look at the guest book usage which 10 years agao was
about 2% of total hits is now probably less the .002% of usage, so i
will be getting rid of it as it is no longer a viable forum for
contact.

snipped
>
>Thunderbird. As has been said.

setting up t/bird as you sleep.
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:17:49 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

>I'm still waiting for him to answer that he has in fact blackholed the
>"catch-all" address in the mail settings at his host's control panel.
>That should cure his problem.

we now know that i cannot access this setting at my hosts web site
ok??


With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

len garden wrote:

[Beauregard wrote:]
>> ..even after you now understand what it causes?
>>
> so even though your understandinbg of it is greater than mine you
> still published their e/mail addies and mine in the media that you
> say the spammers use to get addies???

Your guestbook email addresses? Didn't you notice I separated all the
"@" signs with spaces? The harvester bot won't see them as IDs. It is
also said that the Usenet bots only read headers, not bodies.

Ahem. Where yours is plainly visible to the bots. Already harvested.
"From: len garden <gardenlen2@bigpond.com>"

> yo cannot hold web page owners responsible for waht a guest book may
> do

Certainly I can. But I understand that you didn't know about it.
Guestbooks were ok maybe ten years ago, prior to mass spam harvesting.

> and if you look at the guest book usage which 10 years agao was about
> 2% of total hits is now probably less the .002% of usage, so i will
> be getting rid of it as it is no longer a viable forum for contact.

As more and more people discover how their email was harvested, less and
less of them are willing to post.

>> Thunderbird. As has been said.
>
> setting up t/bird as you sleep.

Best of luck. Note some pointers mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:02:52 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
snipped
>Ahem. Where yours is plainly visible to the bots. Already harvested.
>"From: len garden <gardenlen2@bigpond.com>"
>
i don't get spam on that addy
snipped
>
>Best of luck. Note some pointers mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

so far i'm gonna need ti it is not asn easy program to understand or
set up.
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Thu 13 Dec 2007 06:38:47p, len garden <gardenlen2@bigpond.com> took the
time to tell us all in news:gag3m3h82nm6ugqkhfr1orkuha7c0v2796@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:40 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>len garden wrote:
>>
>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>>> snippage
> snipped
>>
>>No, *you* don't get spam from the guestbook, the people who are posting
>>their email addresses there are the ones getting it because they left
>>their emails in the clear, ripe for harvesting. These people:
>>
>> buckaroo @ iinet.net.au
>> sallyb0 @ utas.edu.au
>> jasali10 @ netspace.net.au
>> kwgibbs1 @ alltel.net
>>
>>and so forth. These are on your guestbook, and can/will be harvested so
>>*they* get spam. Newbies don't know the ramifications of posting an
>>address, on the web, in the clear. As you may surmise, I am
>>anti-guestbook for this reason.
>>
> ok now i understand waht you are saying, but that does no cause me
> spam mail ok, not that i don't have concerns about anyone getting spam
> mail, but i would safely asume as their e/mail addies are not attached
> to a web hosted web apge and are standard isp generated adresses that
> any or most spam that might come their way is in fact being blocked as
> my isp blocks spam on my other account.
>
>>> addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must
>>> repeat blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual
>>> compared to my addy with my web host.
>>
>>Right. That's why I was attempting to concentrate on you finding the
>>email options at your hosting service.
>>
>>> i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
>>> i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.
>>
>>See above. The guestbook causes spam to be sent to the posters.
>>
>>So, you are using "gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau" at the geneology
>>pages: "my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i
>>generally only use the addy when i am doing geneology research" and it
>>is posted in forums, etc. It will continue to be harvested as long as it
>>appears on a web page.
>>
>>> i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet
>>
>>Your choice, but the spam will continue until you do.
>>
>>> as when i change host later next year this spam problem should lessen.
>>> so i have ben told.
>>
>>Not if you use the same email address with the new host's services.
>>That's why Heather said get a throwaway address for public posting. A
>>yahoo address, hotmail, gmail ... and if you start getting too much
>>spam, close it and get another.
>
> when i change isp's i will most likely alter the e/mail addy
>>
>>I can't help you with anything else at this point.
>
> ok so ther are no programs to block spam like there are to block
> viruses in incoming e/mails?
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len & bev
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://www.lensgarden.com.au/
>

Len
AFAIK, the harvesting bots don't read Java, so look into a JS solution to
posting an addy. They willl get it soon enough, so stay ahead.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

On Fri 14 Dec 2007 01:01:24a, "Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> took the
time to tell us all in news:fjt66t$4m4$1@aioe.org:

>
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:kJn8j.255820$kj1.140799@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Heather wrote:
>>
>>> And do listen to what Beau/Shaggy tells you.....that is the straight
>>> goods and he knows way more than me cuz he is WAY OLDER!! (VBG)
>>> Probably younger, if the truth be known.
>>
>> Older? P'raps. My next high school reunion will be the .. 50th.
>
> Nah.....been there, done that. 50th year from Grade 9 though. And I
> started that at age 5.
>>
>>> Cheers from Canada.......Heather
>>
>> Canada: land of snow. You're gonna send a bunch of it my way this
>> weekend, which is going to complicate my move. I'll be packing up the
>> computers tomorrow for transport to the new house, so will be
>> incommunicado periodically for a few days or so.
>
> WOT??? We are getting set for a *itch of a storm from the US this
> weekend.....and if we are lucky, it will hit the US right about your
> house!! Which is as it should be, lol. We drove around that area you
> are moving to eons ago, btw. Lovely country. But we don't often cross
> the border. Especially now what with all of the crapola we have to go
> through. Sheesh, we are not furriners!!
>
> You will have to come up to Quebec City this summer. 400th anniversary
> from discovery (Cartier?) and we were planning on holidaying there
> before I realized it would be inundated with Merkin tourists!!
>
> Daughter arrives on Saturday, so thankfully will get in before the
> blizzard hits. Unless it detours to your area.
>
> Hope the move goes well. I can't downsize.....too much junk after all
> these years. (G)
>
> Cheers......Heather
>
>
>
>

Hope your kid is welll...mine is in college now...music ed. Go figure, just
like me and yet so smarter.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

BJ Honeycut wrote:

> AFAIK, the harvesting bots don't read Java, so look into a JS solution to
> posting an addy. They willl get it soon enough, so stay ahead.

Welcome to the thread.

You meant JavaScript, not Java. They are two different things.

If you use JavaScript to display a contact address, the ~10% who have it
disabled or stripped by a corporate firewall won't see it.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

On Tue 01 Jan 2008 03:06:09p, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> took the time to tell us all in
news:R2xej.97806$MJ6.5617@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> BJ Honeycut wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, the harvesting bots don't read Java, so look into a JS
>> solution to posting an addy. They willl get it soon enough, so stay
>> ahead.
>
> Welcome to the thread.
>
> You meant JavaScript, not Java. They are two different things.
>
> If you use JavaScript to display a contact address, the ~10% who have
> it disabled or stripped by a corporate firewall won't see it.
>

Yep JS is what I meant, and a ;ot of corp firewalls have very specific
restrictions on it...addy just might work, but point taken.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

thanks for all the possible suggestions of help, all too tech' for me
and without full button by button direction that is the way it will
be.

anyhow i went to the t/b link provided so many posts back and got
absolutley nowhere, i can say one of the sorst sites i have ever gone
to for help, they kept confounding the situation by asking the same
questions over and over so i tried answering them in different ways,
but absolutley hopeless lot.

anyway t/b has been uninstalled off of my machine, i'll put up with
the bit of onconvenience for now untill i cahnge hosts to one who has
reasonbly priced blocking available.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:30:02 GMT, BJ Honeycut
<freak@dontGoThere.us.invalid> wrote:

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/